
Unfortunately, I've been quite silent about "9/11 was an inside job" claims from the "9/11 truthers," but I no longer feel that I can be because I've read a portion of a book debunking the conspiracy theory (that is used below) and have watched several skeptical videos. The idea that 9/11 was an inside job undermines our government, promotes un-critical thinking, and promotes credulity. We have an official explanation for 9/11, no evidence of explosives via the seismographs that would detect them, and no good reason to believe that there was a conspiracy.
I don't have any specific emotional attachment to this issue like many military personnel, firefighters, victims' families, etc do. I'm also not working for the government in some sort of cover-up. I'm just trying to debunk conspiracy arguments here and promote critical thinking. As always, I try to keep my beliefs away from discussions and believe whatever the evidence points to. We should hold this position in all areas of life and put our beliefs on the table for examination. I'm willing to change any and all of my beliefs provided that the evidence comes in to change them because the truth is more important than comfort or whatever else.
I counter some claims from a discussion on Facebook (they are in quotes) and raise various counter-arguments with help of Theodore Schick's "How to Think About Weird Things: Critical Thinking for a New Age" book that I highly, highly recommend which includes information from this article from an expert in demolitions. I'm no veteran to the 9/11 arguments, but I'll give it a shot regardless. I paraphrase information from pages 280 to 287 from Schick's book below in addition to my own thoughts.
Here we go.
"Just a few days ago a news story was released involving the thermite, the highly explosive material, found in the dust."
There is no evidence to suggest that theramite was found in the dust. If you have the story, please link it. There's no reason to go much further with that until we have the evidence (There can be other objections if it were there, but let's start small).
The Towers' collapse did not look like explosive demolitions. Blasting engineers, since the 1800s, used gravity to maximize the force of explosions, thus they concentrate on the lower levels of the buildings instead of a top-down method. Towers 1 and 2 do not show "failure" from the lowest floors. The buildings fall precisely where the planes struck.
"Explosions were reported by survivors in the basement of the twin towers before the planes even hit."
This is a personal experience claim that is highly dubious. Regardless, many might have heard >loud noises<, but this doesn't mean that there were explosives and it doesn't refute the idea that there is no evidence for explosives being there. Many eyewitnesses (6 million followers), for example, have claimed to experience miracles from an Indian Guru Satya Sai Baba and have signed testimonies that he can perform miracles. He is described by his devotees as an avatar, godman, spiritual teacher, and miracle worker. He has said that he is the reincarnation of the fakir and saint, Sai Baba of Shirdi. His biographer, Easwaramma, described him as being born of immaculate conception. She relates, "I had dreamt of Sathya Narayana Deva and he cautioned me that I should not be frightened if something happened to me through the Will of God. That morning when I was at the well drawing water, a big ball of blue light came rolling towards me and I fainted and fell. I felt it glided into me". Sathya Sai Baba confirmed this during a 2003 birthday party. When he had first announced that he was a reincarnation of a saint, the people asked for jasmine flowers...when the flowers were dropped, they spelled out his name and from then on, he was said to have been a saint. He has made various public appearances in which we can now see his reported miracles. His followers believe that he is a saint, we have eyewitness testimony of followers, and actual video footage of these miracles. Some miracles include materializing jewelry, conjuring ash, levitation, turning water into gasoline, and controlling the weather. Regardless of this eyewitness testimony and the six million people, there's no good reason to believe their claims. People can easily be fooled and in this case, they have been. You can watch Sai Baba's videos on Youtube and come up with naturalistic explanations.
(read more about Sai Baba in my old Miracles post)
Eyewitness testimony isn't a good reason to believe a claim when we have great reasons to doubt. We need more than that.
Anyway, all seismograph readings of the towers indicate a single level of gradual ascending and descending vibration for wtc 1, 2, and 7. Since no sudden or independent spikes on the readings were recorded, we have very good reason to suggest that there was no explosion. A demolition that was powerful enough to defeat steel columns would have been detected on the seismographs.
Also, no evidence of explosives were found.
The buildings actually didn't fall straight down, but rather followed the paths of least resistance (and there was great resistance). When the impact floors of the towers failed, the upper sections of the towers tilted while collapsing downward. Debris rained down on several blocks around the site. WTC7 and other buildings to the north were impacted by great amounts of debris - the effects responsible for fires. A small amount of structural support debris landed straight down making this event very different than a planned demolition.
"The only two examples in history of two steel skyscrapers crumbling to the ground they way they did... was the twin towers"
Many steel structures have collapsed due to fire. The idea that no other buildings crumbled the way they did, even if this is true but it doesn't matter if it is, does not mean that this collapse was impossible. Each building failure on 9/11 displayed characteristics that are very different.
Eyewitness testimony isn't a good reason to believe a claim when we have great reasons to doubt. We need more than that.
Anyway, all seismograph readings of the towers indicate a single level of gradual ascending and descending vibration for wtc 1, 2, and 7. Since no sudden or independent spikes on the readings were recorded, we have very good reason to suggest that there was no explosion. A demolition that was powerful enough to defeat steel columns would have been detected on the seismographs.
Also, no evidence of explosives were found.
"Building 7 pancaked controlled demolition style with free fall effect while buildings with greater damage, closer to the towers did not."
The buildings actually didn't fall straight down, but rather followed the paths of least resistance (and there was great resistance). When the impact floors of the towers failed, the upper sections of the towers tilted while collapsing downward. Debris rained down on several blocks around the site. WTC7 and other buildings to the north were impacted by great amounts of debris - the effects responsible for fires. A small amount of structural support debris landed straight down making this event very different than a planned demolition.
"The only two examples in history of two steel skyscrapers crumbling to the ground they way they did... was the twin towers"
Many steel structures have collapsed due to fire. The idea that no other buildings crumbled the way they did, even if this is true but it doesn't matter if it is, does not mean that this collapse was impossible. Each building failure on 9/11 displayed characteristics that are very different.
The towers were brought down because of burning jet fuel, not a demolition. The people who are best qualified to determine whether explosives were used are people who do controlled demolitions for a living...and there is no demolition expert who claims that the buildings were the product of a demolition. Although the collapse may look like it was the result of a demolition, our eyes are very untrained to analyze these things because we're not experts and appearances may be deceiving.
The 9/11 conspiracy theory has little explanatory power because it is less simple, is less conservative, has less scope, and is less fruitful than the official view.
It's less simple and conservative because it assumes that many people including top-government officials, rogue explosive-setters, FBI agents, etc were all involved. This also assumes that people were able to do this all with the officials who would be able to detect foul play either being informed or totally ignorant. We also assume that government officials and many others are so cruel that they would throw the entire nation into a peril, sacrifice so many people, cost tons of money, etc. Don't you think that if there was a big conspiracy that the information would be leaked, the someone would "tattle," that someone would mess up and reveal information, etc? None of this is seen. What about e-mailed, private conversations, notes, memos, etc that should have shown up? There's nothing.
Do we also assume that for some reason the explosives wouldn't be picked up by seismographs even though we know that seismographs would pick them up?
It has less scope because the conspiracy raises so many questions:
- How were the explosives planted (without anyone knowing)
- How did these planters sneak into the towers without people noticing?
- If the buildings were going to explode, why did planes fly into them? Terrorists tried to destroy the buildings before, so why wouldn't the planters just blame it on the terrorists?
- Why kill so many? WTC 7 was evacuated because it was destroyed, so why not evacuate the others?
- Where do the attack on the Pentagon and the PA crash figure in to this conspiracy? Why bother if there were explosives?
- Many believe that the pentagon wasn't hit by a plane because the hole was small and contained few big parts (this addresses something you asked above). Why not use a plane? Wasn't a plane good enough for the towers?
- If the pentagon wasn't hit by a plane, where are the passengers and crew?
Videos and documents from Al Qaeda provide evidence that 9/11 was not an inside job and has been broad-casted. Suicide videos from the hijackers were also found. So, did the government also plant all of this in some massive cover-up campaign? How did they do all of this: where were the videos filmed? Where were the documents made? How did they get into the hands of the Arabic broadcasting network?
If there really was a conspiracy, we need to know who did it, how they did it, be able to offer an explanation that is better or as well as our official view. This is just like saying that the Minnesota Bridge Collapse was a conspiracy and was demolished by explosives. We have no evidence for explosives in either scenario and have official explanations that are adequate explanations. 9/11 was no inside job.
The 9/11 conspiracy theory has little explanatory power because it is less simple, is less conservative, has less scope, and is less fruitful than the official view.
It's less simple and conservative because it assumes that many people including top-government officials, rogue explosive-setters, FBI agents, etc were all involved. This also assumes that people were able to do this all with the officials who would be able to detect foul play either being informed or totally ignorant. We also assume that government officials and many others are so cruel that they would throw the entire nation into a peril, sacrifice so many people, cost tons of money, etc. Don't you think that if there was a big conspiracy that the information would be leaked, the someone would "tattle," that someone would mess up and reveal information, etc? None of this is seen. What about e-mailed, private conversations, notes, memos, etc that should have shown up? There's nothing.
Do we also assume that for some reason the explosives wouldn't be picked up by seismographs even though we know that seismographs would pick them up?
It has less scope because the conspiracy raises so many questions:
- How were the explosives planted (without anyone knowing)
- How did these planters sneak into the towers without people noticing?
- If the buildings were going to explode, why did planes fly into them? Terrorists tried to destroy the buildings before, so why wouldn't the planters just blame it on the terrorists?
- Why kill so many? WTC 7 was evacuated because it was destroyed, so why not evacuate the others?
- Where do the attack on the Pentagon and the PA crash figure in to this conspiracy? Why bother if there were explosives?
- Many believe that the pentagon wasn't hit by a plane because the hole was small and contained few big parts (this addresses something you asked above). Why not use a plane? Wasn't a plane good enough for the towers?
- If the pentagon wasn't hit by a plane, where are the passengers and crew?
Videos and documents from Al Qaeda provide evidence that 9/11 was not an inside job and has been broad-casted. Suicide videos from the hijackers were also found. So, did the government also plant all of this in some massive cover-up campaign? How did they do all of this: where were the videos filmed? Where were the documents made? How did they get into the hands of the Arabic broadcasting network?
If there really was a conspiracy, we need to know who did it, how they did it, be able to offer an explanation that is better or as well as our official view. This is just like saying that the Minnesota Bridge Collapse was a conspiracy and was demolished by explosives. We have no evidence for explosives in either scenario and have official explanations that are adequate explanations. 9/11 was no inside job.
For more information, please read Skeptic Magazine's very extensive article debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories here.
Another great site is this "9/11 wiki" debunking many claims by the "9-11 truth movement."
Here's a great movie with a panel of skeptics including one of my favorites Michael Shermer. This movie takes claims by conspiracy theorist, lets them voice their ideas, and takes them apart one by one.
Ahhh, common ground. It's good to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories.
ReplyDeleteHere's my response and research:
ReplyDeletehttp://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2010/10/big-dans-big-news-oct-23-2010-even.html
There is NO EVIDENCE backing the "official" 9/11 story, ZERO.
And watch this movie:
ZERO An Investigation Into 9/11 (FULL documentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XRMrMdn0NQ
Above in this post: "There is no evidence to suggest that theramite was found in the dust. If you have the story, please link it."
ReplyDeleteFOUR DIFFERENT SCIENTISTS (out of thousands...NONE believe the "official" 9/11 story btw...) SPEAK OUT ABOUT "OFFICIAL" 9/11 STORY:
Steven Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgyA66ZK4Os&feature=player_embedded
Mark Basile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZNQq7XBLwc&feature=player_embedded
Niels Harrit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lU-vu2JvZY&feature=player_embedded
Richard Gage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f_hPtS7Lu4&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lU-vu2JvZY&feature=player_embedded
Actually, just about everything in your post, I address in my links, and just about everything in your post isn't true.
ReplyDeleteNothing personal, please don't take it that way. It's just that I'm being direct, as always.
My post here, has just about everything you need to know:
ReplyDeletehttp://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2010/10/big-dans-big-news-oct-23-2010-even.html
Check out ALL the links, watch ALL the videos.
I GUARANTEE you will change your mind. You probably didn't see the things I'm posting.
But we'll see. You'll probably respond when you get time.
And here's something to think about: we ALL don't trust politicians and the media, yet they are the ones that pushed the "official" story on us. So why do we believe "the big lie" when they tell it to us?
ReplyDeleteThe Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
One reason I hate blogger comments is they don't "hyperlink", you have to cut/paste them. If you can, can you make my links into "hyperlinks"? If you don't have time, then forget it. That's why I put a different commenting system on my blog.
ReplyDeleteAlso, if you regularly talk with Kenny Luck, have him take a look at my links. I'd be interested in what he thinks, too.
ReplyDeleteI'll look forward to your response. But I GUARANTEE you won't believe the evidence-free "official" story anymore.
I, like you, go strictly on facts, proof, and the most evidence. As you say above. No loyalty to anything except the evidence and logic.
Kenny is aware of the links. Thanks for the post.
ReplyDeleteWhen you say "official story," what do you mean?" I don't care what the government officials say or who is saying these things (unless, of course, a non-expert is making a claim that an expert needs to make or there is an fallacious appeal to authority), but rather care about what the evidence is. I don't care about the 9/11 Commission report, but rather care about what the evidence shows.
ReplyDeleteAlso, regarding the burden of proof, it's quite established that hijackers associated with Al-Queda flew planes into the buildings and that said planes and the impact of said planes are enough to account for the terrorist attacks. If you're going to propose that the government of the United States (or whoever else) is responsible, you need to give the evidence.
When you say we "ALL" don't trust politicians and the media, this is true, but this doesn't warrant that we can't trust everything they say. A great deal of information presented by the media should not be doubted and we'd be crazy to doubt it, so why pick on the stuff concerning 9/11? We can't trust some politicians' sincerity, campaign promises, etc and are warranted in not trusting...but this isn't the issue. The issue is "Should the explanations and the evidence be doubted."
There's also an apparent false dichotomy when you mention the "official story;" either we accept the "official story" or the conspiracy theory is true. This isn't the case. Even if the "official story" is false, this doesn't entail that there was a conspiracy. Alternative explanations besides what the "official story" says can exist and even if we have no explanation does not entail that there was a conspiracy. How does one, anyway, bridge the gap from "I don't know, I can't explain that, or That doesn't seem to be right, etc" to "A conspiracy happened?"
ReplyDeleteThat no explosives were found to have been involved in the destruction of building 7 is merely confirmation that none were looked for. And what is that confirmation of?
ReplyDeleteThe intentional act of not looking for evidence is evidence of what?
It would be illogical, and indeed impossible, for whatever did occur on 9/11 to have occurred without an actual conspiracy, regardless of who you believe the co-conspirators to be.
ReplyDeleteThe hot rhetoric surrounding the word conspiracy (evidenced above) is the direct result of brainwashing. The actual legal definition of the word itself evidences a very low threshold for events to have been the result of a conspiracy. Unless you believe that one individual flew three planes and also managed to attack the Pentagon, it was the result of a conspiracy. Conspiracy in fact.
You might want to ask yourself why this word causes you to have an emotional and/or visceral response when it comes up, and who planted those automatic responses into your brain.
If you can't speak of the word conspiracy without some sort of physiological or emotional reaction, you've been pre-programmed to dispute every claim of actual conspiracy. Who are the programmers?
It is NOT an established fact that hijackers flew any planes on 9/11. There is no evidence supporting this claim. It IS an established fact that no less than six of the alleged hijackers were found to be very much alive weeks after they allegedly died. These are facts. It is also a fact that despite these revelations, the government has NEVER REVISED the original propaganda which you now recite chapter and verse, that the original 18 individuals pictured died on 9/11.
ReplyDeleteYou state that you are willing to change your beliefs when presented with evidence, yet despite the fact that you surely know six of the alleged terrorists are very much alive, you continue as though that were not the case.
Expert testimony indicates that no first-time pilot could have executed the cork-screw descent into the Pentagon at the speeds claimed, and further, no commercial aircraft is capable of being controlled at those speeds by any pilot at the altitude alleged to have been the final approach angle to the Pentagon by a "hijacked plane." It is virtually impossible.
Body of evidence?
ReplyDeleteDestruction of evidence is evidence of what? Is it a coincidence that the alleged perp of 9/11's body is alleged to have been thrown in the sea? What is this evidence of? Are you a coincidence theorist?
Who would conspire to do such a thing? Why?
Ditto anonymous above.
ReplyDeleteJustin: this statement is the opposite of free thinking:
ReplyDelete"The idea that 9/11 was an inside job undermines our government, promotes un-critical thinking, and promotes credulity."
The greatest thinkers always questioned the government.
History of
American False Flag Operations
http://911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html
The USS Liberty cover up:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html
10 false flags operations that shaped our world
http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2008/12/10-false-flags-operations-that-shaped.html
The mainstream media is the culprit:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8817033963669515228&hl=en#
Noam Chomsky: mainstream media manufacturing consent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic&feature=&p=4655566D6E98625D&index=0&playnext=1
Please identify what you mean by "official story..." and if you want me to watch your stuff, watch the one movie I linked above that demolishes the conspiracy claims.
ReplyDeleteActually, just about everything in your post, I address in my links, and just about everything in your post isn't true.
ReplyDeleteNothing personal, please don't take it that way. It's just that I'm being direct, as always.